230. The Laziness Lie with Devon Price

Many of us have learned that hard-work, productivity, and achievement are virtues that will take us far in life. So much so, that “lazy” has become a dirty word. Laziness, we are told, is a signal of moral inferiority, and slowing down to rest should be avoided. But what if that’s a big lie, that has a big impact on our wellbeing? In this episode, social psychologist Dr. Devon Price, author of Laziness Does Not Exist, talks with Debbie about “The Laziness Lie,” and offers a new point of view about productivity and the importance of rest.

Listen and Learn:

  • What the “laziness lie” is, and where it came from.
  • Why buying into the laziness lie can be harmful to your own wellbeing, and to others.
  • The difference between avoidance and allowing yourself to rest.
  • Devon’s personal story of overwork.
  • Why “cyberloafing” might not be all bad.
  • The connection between the laziness lie and weight stigma.
  • Why people-pleasing can be exhausting, and how saying no can be your superpower.
  • The one change Devon would most like to see in the world.


About Devon Price:

Dr. Devon Price is a social psychologist, professor, author, and proud Autistic person. Their research has appeared in journals such as the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, and the Journal of Positive Psychology. Their work has appeared in SlateBusiness InsiderFinancial TimesHuffPostPsychology Today, and on NPR and PBS. They live in Chicago, Illinois, where they serve as an assistant professor at Loyola University Chicago’s School of Continuing and Professional Studies. Their book, Laziness Does Not Exist…. Next year, Devon will be releasing their next book, Unmasking Autism: Discovering the New Faces of Neurodiversity.

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